Anti-science progressives: Shermer, Mooney and Lynas weigh in

I don’t know how I missed it, but I just came across this discussion with noted skeptic Michael Shermer, environmentalist Judas Mark Lynas and no relation, Chris Mooney author of the Republican Brain.

I have some problems with Mooney’s take in that he seems to excuse the progressive anti-science mindset by saying the right is worse due to the fact a bigger percentage of the right is anti-science. I don’t agree with that in the sense that, as we have seen with the GMO and vaccine issue, the left is actually more dangerous.

Shermer makes a good point when he says that we have to be wary of using science to bolster our political views. I was just thinking of writing a post about that.

There has been much discussion about whether anti-gmo is anti-science. I think it is because I believe that too many on the left use science for the very reason Shermer states. The fact that progressives believe in the scientific consensus on climate change, but not the scientific consensus on gmos proves that point.

Now, you’re saying to yourself, that makes no sense. And you would be right. But let me explain. If you are unwilling to adapt your political views when scientific consensus and evidence contradict those views, that makes you anti-science.

The video is almost an hour long, but worth a watch. It’s a good discussion.

1585: Villagers terrified by demonic apple. 2014: They still are

This came across my Twitter transom recently. I think it’s apt for the antis who are frightened by the non-browning Artic Apple. It is from a site called history weird which is a really fun site

In 1585 the villagers of Annecy, about 20 miles south of Geneva, were subject to an unusual form of demonic possession. According to French magistrate and chronicler Henri Boguet, shrieks and other sinister noises were heard coming from a single apple, which was hanging from a tree near a local bridge. The townsfolk gathered to listen to the cackling apple, though from a safe distance. Recognising the Biblical connotations of a malevolent apple, they were afraid to touch it – nor were they willing to approach the tree to cross the bridge….

Boguet put the phenomenon down to sorcery. The apple, he wrote, had been “filled with devils” by a local witch, who probably intended it for an unsuspecting victim. (emphasis mine)

Now, here is an excerpt from a post on the the nutty Natural Society, anti-gmo website

Like the decrepit hand of a wicked witch offering us all a shiny red apple, the latest GMO project puts a new poison in one of our favorite fruits.